WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.440 --> 00:00:11.580 Zukowski, Adam: I will hand it off to you. 2 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:15.480 Jean Boggs: As I mentioned i'm a. 3 00:00:15.719 --> 00:00:17.340 Jean Boggs: librarian and. 4 00:00:17.730 --> 00:00:35.250 Jean Boggs: i'm at CBC my home is on a Dundalk campus and I have been basically trying to play with new ways to use some in these interesting times in which we live. 5 00:00:36.510 --> 00:00:41.730 Jean Boggs: And maybe try to achieve some goals that we couldn't achieve before. 6 00:00:43.650 --> 00:00:52.050 Jean Boggs: When we were meeting face to face, and he as we go along you'll see what I mean by that and my interests include our. 7 00:00:54.300 --> 00:00:59.190 Jean Boggs: contemplative pedagogy geez and and mindfulness practices. 8 00:01:01.830 --> 00:01:09.780 Jean Boggs: Okay, the things dance, and so this my background in theater so all of these things combined. 9 00:01:10.770 --> 00:01:30.870 Jean Boggs: Were has really led me down this path so hopefully we'll learn some things today, I have three major sources that i'm focusing on as you saw in the the write up of the workshop and really to have those took precedence and i'm going to be improvising because I couldn't. 10 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:38.160 Jean Boggs: get one of my texts to work my tech knowledge pieces to work, the way I wanted so someone knows. 11 00:01:39.390 --> 00:01:45.270 Jean Boggs: You can feel free to pipe up when we get there because something's changed since the last time I use it so. 12 00:01:46.380 --> 00:01:49.290 Jean Boggs: Of course, so I am going to be. 13 00:01:50.310 --> 00:01:51.630 Jean Boggs: My slideshow. 14 00:01:55.650 --> 00:01:56.280 Jean Boggs: So. 15 00:01:59.190 --> 00:02:01.200 Jean Boggs: Go here's my slideshow. 16 00:02:02.700 --> 00:02:05.970 Jean Boggs: Can everybody see that or Do I need to share my screen. 17 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:09.900 Zukowski, Adam: You need to share your screen first. 18 00:02:24.090 --> 00:02:24.870 Jean Boggs: You can see it. 19 00:02:25.140 --> 00:02:27.930 Jean Boggs: You will be able to see it yes okay great. 20 00:02:29.640 --> 00:02:32.580 Jean Boggs: Okay, here we are, and so. 21 00:02:33.750 --> 00:02:39.360 Jean Boggs: What i'm really trying to do is think of ways we can engage with each other and. 22 00:02:40.440 --> 00:02:58.110 Jean Boggs: So my purpose today was to consider some of our assumptions about what makes a meeting productive and is it about making sure everyone knows a lot of details I think we've all seen the means about you know meetings that could be emails and such and I think we've all been. 23 00:02:59.580 --> 00:03:07.170 Jean Boggs: guilty as the word but participants in that culture, because we feel like we have to be present in a room and. 24 00:03:08.970 --> 00:03:26.130 Jean Boggs: One of the true purposes of a meeting is to make sure we're all on board or make sure we all hear something so that is actually a purpose, but how we achieve it, there may be different ways to do that, I would suggest. 25 00:03:27.570 --> 00:03:43.560 Jean Boggs: Rather than a kind of top top down approach, and I would say, as we go through this that it takes a little bit more work on the on the part of the person who's hosting the meeting, and one of the books, I used to. 26 00:03:45.090 --> 00:03:56.490 Jean Boggs: i'm very heavily influenced by his free a parker's art of gathering and what be a Parker really says in a lot of different ways throughout the book, which is very worth reading is that. 27 00:03:57.030 --> 00:04:14.370 Jean Boggs: We have to respect the time of the people who have taken the time to come to our meeting right, and so we want to make them feel energized we want to make them feel included, and all of that so um so first is, we want to consider. 28 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:18.150 Jean Boggs: What is the status quo of meetings and. 29 00:04:19.170 --> 00:04:33.540 Jean Boggs: Also, to let things kind of be shaken up so that other voices can be heard, because I know i'm very outspoken and i'm that person in the meeting he will say hey would be bad or whatever. 30 00:04:34.050 --> 00:04:43.500 Jean Boggs: But there are other people who, in a group dynamic would be much less inclined to do that, but they may have brilliant ideas so. 31 00:04:45.150 --> 00:04:48.060 Jean Boggs: it's a way of also being more inclusive. 32 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.350 Jean Boggs: To consider consider how we do things. 33 00:04:54.750 --> 00:05:04.380 Jean Boggs: And again we've created Parker one of the things that I just absolutely loved about her philosophy is. 34 00:05:06.270 --> 00:05:06.960 Jean Boggs: Can you hear me. 35 00:05:09.450 --> 00:05:09.840 Zukowski, Adam: Yes. 36 00:05:10.050 --> 00:05:11.520 Jean Boggs: Okay, thank you, I bought this thing. 37 00:05:11.820 --> 00:05:13.740 Jean Boggs: there's this little button and I tap it. 38 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:14.220 Jean Boggs: And then I. 39 00:05:14.250 --> 00:05:14.970 Zukowski, Adam: can be here and I have. 40 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:16.080 Jean Boggs: To I understand. 41 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:36.720 Jean Boggs: So, so one of the things I absolutely love it out for you parker's book is that she really talks about deepening your rationale for having meetings, all together, so what you can say, well, I want to have a meeting to distribute information. 42 00:05:37.830 --> 00:05:50.370 Jean Boggs: But why go deeper, is it so that we all have equity, we all understand our roles is it so that we could hear different perspectives on these changes or policies that we're creating. 43 00:05:52.080 --> 00:06:04.590 Jean Boggs: And I recently attended a cultural culturally responsive teaching and learning seminar and I love that quote that came from one of the facilitators the answers in the room. 44 00:06:04.980 --> 00:06:18.570 Jean Boggs: Right, so you may not know, but someone may be present, can contribute something that you never would have thought up so um I think that's that really resonates with with me. 45 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:34.200 Jean Boggs: quickly get to some exercises so um and then my literal like objectives are these like we're going to talk about, because I know with students, like a lot of them need to know what are we going to talk about today so. 46 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:46.500 Jean Boggs: we're going to talk about this book i've already mentioned the art of gathering, we will talk about human centered design, which is essentially a set of activities that were designed for. 47 00:06:47.790 --> 00:06:50.190 Jean Boggs: tech and other kinds of. 48 00:06:51.780 --> 00:06:53.310 Jean Boggs: Design companies. 49 00:06:55.380 --> 00:07:05.490 Jean Boggs: But they can be tweaked really well to to create opportunities in academia and the like, and then also this book here, which is such a cute cover. 50 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:19.500 Jean Boggs: Go to your background rituals for virtual meetings, and this is like great for all different types of meetings, including one to one meetings classroom meetings. 51 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:39.330 Jean Boggs: And they have things for it's divided into really helpful sub divisions like how to open a meeting so you could have a little chat things that and I think the I focus less on this book because, not because it's any less valuable, but because it is more about setting ritual. 52 00:07:40.530 --> 00:07:47.460 Jean Boggs: So it's about repetition, so this being a one one off event, it was less. 53 00:07:48.960 --> 00:08:05.070 Jean Boggs: enticing for me in terms of implementing it, but in terms of if you're teaching a class on a regular basis if you're meeting with a group of people, it could be a really fun way to introduce some different kinds of dynamics. 54 00:08:08.520 --> 00:08:16.230 Jean Boggs: So okay um before we get started, are there any questions about this so far. 55 00:08:23.370 --> 00:08:30.390 Jean Boggs: have anything because I can't see the chat i'm when i'm sharing my screen one of this loss. 56 00:08:30.810 --> 00:08:32.340 Zukowski, Adam: yeah i'm not seeing anything. 57 00:08:32.760 --> 00:08:33.420 Jean Boggs: Thank you. 58 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:34.590 Jean Boggs: Thank you, Adam okay. 59 00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:36.240 Jean Boggs: So um. 60 00:08:37.470 --> 00:08:39.540 Jean Boggs: So the human centered design. 61 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:45.570 Jean Boggs: and turn up my sound okay so human centered design. 62 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:49.680 Jean Boggs: I have been working with it for a few years in fact in. 63 00:08:50.910 --> 00:08:55.620 Jean Boggs: 2017 I did something at T cow where we used an an exercise. 64 00:08:57.630 --> 00:09:09.030 Jean Boggs: And so the Gates Foundation does have a kit of human centered design for libraries, I find it skewed heavily toward public libraries for somewhat obvious reasons. 65 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:30.000 Jean Boggs: You know, it was a philanthropy thing so not that academic libraries don't beat philanthropy but you get the idea, and so, most of the activities with the human centered design do need a little reworking a little retooling because they. 66 00:09:31.470 --> 00:09:44.490 Jean Boggs: tend to rely on her to be geared toward designing objects are Apps for people, so if you are Designing an APP this would be ideal if your library has the funding or the. 67 00:09:45.060 --> 00:09:58.980 Jean Boggs: The in house technical person and you want to think how could we make this better there's some really cool activities like where he'll carry like a block of went around and every time you think well I wish I had this block which do X, you would write it. 68 00:10:00.450 --> 00:10:18.510 Jean Boggs: You know, on the on the wood so it's a different kind of building awareness through these different activities and and where I where I struggle, a little with the human Center design has been that many of them rely on face to face. 69 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:29.010 Jean Boggs: interfacing, and that is a little hard it's a little hard online to adapt some of these. 70 00:10:30.300 --> 00:10:33.630 Jean Boggs: But one of them that worked really well was. 71 00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:52.710 Jean Boggs: adapted when we first went into the pandemic I combine two of my interests, which was human centered design and contemplative pedagogy so I wanted to think about how we could build empathy in an immersion exercise so think this will. 72 00:10:56.640 --> 00:11:03.540 Jean Boggs: Be here we go right Okay, so can you see this sway on the page. 73 00:11:04.470 --> 00:11:06.450 Jean Boggs: Yes, cool okay. 74 00:11:06.570 --> 00:11:19.740 Jean Boggs: So what we did was I gave I had different groups and they each had a pamphlet and I gave them a scenario about a student. 75 00:11:20.670 --> 00:11:38.130 Jean Boggs: And I said, you know, for example, what about Maria has a new CBC students and she wants to retrain and she lost her job in hotel services during covered and she has two school aged daughters and she competes for time on the families one laptop, how can we help her. 76 00:11:39.660 --> 00:11:46.050 Jean Boggs: So empathy and I tried to think of very different situations like Kevin he's really. 77 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:52.740 Jean Boggs: he's really driven he's really great at technology right and I based kevin's. 78 00:11:54.330 --> 00:12:07.410 Jean Boggs: preferring to use Google scholar on a real told me that so, but how could we help that students and how can we so just thinking about who we can be in the world and really using. 79 00:12:07.890 --> 00:12:18.210 Jean Boggs: kind of empathy practice of like being with people in their particular situations during coven and, as I was really interesting we have these great. 80 00:12:19.980 --> 00:12:34.860 Jean Boggs: responses and the tablets tablets a little tech is a lot, like the thing I was trying to get to work today jam board and and people can you know respond and so. 81 00:12:36.210 --> 00:12:39.930 Jean Boggs: People I had the library and work with me and. 82 00:12:44.550 --> 00:12:54.240 Jean Boggs: That was, I thought, a great suggestion mentioned the similarities of the library website to other universities, so if Kevin feels like this isn't worth my time. 83 00:12:54.990 --> 00:13:10.260 Jean Boggs: remind him that these peer review articles he's finding in Google scholar may not be as easy to find when he moves on, so there is some benefit to using our the CBC resources, for example, so. 84 00:13:11.460 --> 00:13:14.700 Jean Boggs: This was a way, so the original. 85 00:13:17.250 --> 00:13:20.550 Jean Boggs: walk a mile is more about. 86 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:23.010 Jean Boggs: Just. 87 00:13:24.510 --> 00:13:30.600 Jean Boggs: Thinking about what one person's needs me or choosing a person in real life, I created. 88 00:13:32.040 --> 00:13:36.300 Jean Boggs: hypothetical situations, but that was more similar to the actual. 89 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:40.650 Jean Boggs: activity. 90 00:13:44.280 --> 00:13:57.150 Jean Boggs: So I love this one i'm hoping we can do it today i'm just racking my brain I think we'll be able to use a whiteboard if we go into groups or perhaps we could have people. 91 00:14:00.510 --> 00:14:03.660 Jean Boggs: Thinking about it because there's a way, I wanted to use. 92 00:14:05.160 --> 00:14:07.260 Jean Boggs: jam for it but i'm. 93 00:14:09.090 --> 00:14:11.790 Jean Boggs: The Round Robin OK, so the round Robin. 94 00:14:14.910 --> 00:14:16.800 Jean Boggs: i've used a couple of times. 95 00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:21.510 Jean Boggs: And so. 96 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:31.350 Jean Boggs: One of these had to do with what were the possibilities and drawbacks of. 97 00:14:32.430 --> 00:14:33.390 Jean Boggs: teaching. 98 00:14:35.610 --> 00:14:39.660 Jean Boggs: And to specifically, I think we were talking about teaching media literacy. 99 00:14:41.940 --> 00:14:44.700 Jean Boggs: put these important So you see. 100 00:14:53.790 --> 00:14:54.390 Jean Boggs: So. 101 00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:03.930 Jean Boggs: Again, sorry guys, this is my technical my technical. 102 00:15:08.520 --> 00:15:11.880 Jean Boggs: Ideas a little not quite I was hoping it would be. 103 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:26.370 Jean Boggs: Okay, so here's what I think we should do i'm going to divide us all into groups and then i'm going to give each group 1234. 104 00:15:27.570 --> 00:15:37.830 Jean Boggs: I think for groups should be good, or maybe five four things will be good, and then what i'm going to do is give. 105 00:15:39.420 --> 00:15:44.040 Jean Boggs: A situation i'm like thinking and talking at the same time. 106 00:15:48.750 --> 00:15:51.480 Jean Boggs: I want to go back to my Sim. 107 00:15:54.090 --> 00:15:56.370 Jean Boggs: At the meeting controls what. 108 00:15:58.740 --> 00:15:59.520 Jean Boggs: Sorry. 109 00:16:05.670 --> 00:16:09.240 Jean Boggs: There we go Okay, I want to stop my screen share. 110 00:16:10.590 --> 00:16:12.510 Jean Boggs: People are talking in the chat that was me. 111 00:16:16.650 --> 00:16:19.290 Jean Boggs: See whitey what does that mean. 112 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:24.840 Jean Boggs: Take your time, thank you. 113 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:36.600 Jean Boggs: I appreciate that is, it is right, like these, this is a great example of like you know you kind of put yourself out there, with some of this stuff and then. 114 00:16:37.890 --> 00:16:40.620 Jean Boggs: it's it's nerve racking right it's like. 115 00:16:42.930 --> 00:16:50.520 Jean Boggs: So let me see if I can get my jam boards to work because I did actually have them set up and then. 116 00:16:53.850 --> 00:16:57.630 Jean Boggs: If I can i'd like to have them working. 117 00:17:25.980 --> 00:17:26.880 Jean Boggs: US let's see. 118 00:17:27.210 --> 00:17:28.860 Zukowski, Adam: So, Jean I know. 119 00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:34.410 Zukowski, Adam: I think go back I know i've struggled with the the Google permissions. 120 00:17:34.590 --> 00:17:36.810 Zukowski, Adam: yeah if you click on share. 121 00:17:38.610 --> 00:17:39.510 Zukowski, Adam: and 122 00:17:40.950 --> 00:17:43.470 Zukowski, Adam: With the drop down for it says restricted. 123 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:45.000 Yes. 124 00:17:46.020 --> 00:17:47.400 Zukowski, Adam: Anyone with the link. 125 00:17:47.580 --> 00:17:48.120 Jean Boggs: that's it. 126 00:17:49.590 --> 00:17:49.920 Zukowski, Adam: guys. 127 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.300 Jean Boggs: Thank you. 128 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:53.700 Jennifer Martin: So. 129 00:17:54.870 --> 00:18:00.420 Jennifer Martin: I think if you want us to edit it, you probably also need to change it from viewer to editor. 130 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:02.730 Zukowski, Adam: Good catching. 131 00:18:02.970 --> 00:18:07.080 Jean Boggs: yay I love it the answers, always in the room. 132 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:09.060 Jean Boggs: With a room full of Librarians I swear. 133 00:18:09.630 --> 00:18:10.380 Jean Boggs: Thank you. 134 00:18:11.760 --> 00:18:23.250 Jean Boggs: my nerves just Okay, here we go copy the link so i'm going to put this because it's really interesting to see how this can work and i'm. 135 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:25.830 Jean Boggs: Okay, so this is. 136 00:18:33.630 --> 00:18:34.020 Jean Boggs: again. 137 00:18:44.130 --> 00:18:44.940 Jean Boggs: This one. 138 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:46.890 Jean Boggs: out to. 139 00:18:56.940 --> 00:18:59.130 Jean Boggs: Take out to when I go to share. 140 00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:03.360 Jean Boggs: And i'm gonna make it. 141 00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:06.720 Jean Boggs: everybody's an editor. 142 00:19:12.810 --> 00:19:15.120 Jean Boggs: Okay, and then. 143 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:30.180 Jean Boggs: Just a moment. 144 00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:45.540 Okay. 145 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:50.550 Jean Boggs: three. 146 00:19:51.630 --> 00:19:56.070 Jean Boggs: Can you do, four and five, and then we're all set and i'll put them all into the chat. 147 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:04.050 Jean Boggs: Anyone with the link. 148 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:06.240 Jean Boggs: Another. 149 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:26.190 Jean Boggs: You know it's funny too, because as soon as you learn one and get used to it, the other one comes back to you know what i'm saying it's like. 150 00:20:27.750 --> 00:20:29.790 Jean Boggs: This one is. 151 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:33.270 Jean Boggs: Like I I got used to. 152 00:20:36.510 --> 00:20:43.620 Jean Boggs: The Microsoft products, and then I go back to Google or jam board or whatever, so that is an issue. 153 00:20:55.770 --> 00:20:59.970 Jean Boggs: For us, the last one I think that needs to be tweaked. 154 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:24.150 Jean Boggs: yo yo. 155 00:21:27.510 --> 00:21:31.860 Jean Boggs: Yes, Adam is correct you're going to have. 156 00:21:34.470 --> 00:21:35.580 Jean Boggs: breakout rooms. 157 00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:52.260 Jean Boggs: Each one and i'm so i'm going to explain the rules and then i'm also going to copy the rules into the chat so you'll have them as well. 158 00:21:53.820 --> 00:21:55.530 Jean Boggs: Going back to my. 159 00:21:57.360 --> 00:22:06.630 Jean Boggs: Rules so okay so here are the rules of round Robin all right i'm gonna break you into a. 160 00:22:09.570 --> 00:22:13.980 Jean Boggs: breakout rooms and then it's kind of fun. 161 00:22:16.860 --> 00:22:29.340 Jean Boggs: you're going to choose a problem, so the first person you just assign yourself i'm going to go first you know, two, three, whatever okay so first person is going to choose a problem. 162 00:22:31.170 --> 00:22:32.010 Jean Boggs: And then. 163 00:22:33.570 --> 00:22:38.250 Jean Boggs: Can you see this what's on the screen now the little the little chalkboard. 164 00:22:40.050 --> 00:22:41.610 Zukowski, Adam: Yes, your your presentation. 165 00:22:41.790 --> 00:22:43.890 Zukowski, Adam: Yes, yep yes so. 166 00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:45.840 Jean Boggs: Okay, so. 167 00:22:50.760 --> 00:22:51.870 Jean Boggs: The first person. 168 00:22:53.970 --> 00:23:01.740 Jean Boggs: you're going to say what is a creative or unconventional approach that could help with this problem. 169 00:23:02.820 --> 00:23:04.890 Jean Boggs: Okay, the second team. 170 00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:20.970 Jean Boggs: let's just say, too, is that you say why would this fail, the solution is there's no way, this would work okay so you're going to post on to the without discussion post on to that. 171 00:23:27.060 --> 00:23:27.570 Jean Boggs: This thing. 172 00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:30.210 Jean Boggs: Sorry. 173 00:23:31.620 --> 00:23:32.400 Jean Boggs: And then. 174 00:23:35.550 --> 00:23:36.420 Jean Boggs: The. 175 00:23:38.010 --> 00:23:39.180 Jean Boggs: third thing. 176 00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:55.440 Jean Boggs: Is a you say how could it be resolved, how can we address the critiques so I was getting actually going to have you pass these things, but in the interest of time this always happens, it seems that. 177 00:23:56.760 --> 00:24:19.620 Jean Boggs: That i'm not able to actually get it so within your group pick a 1234 and five someone could be five or six one group might have to two people right so you're going to say the first person is going to choose a problem, so the problem has to do with either meetings or online. 178 00:24:20.790 --> 00:24:35.250 Jean Boggs: classes or phone addiction or screen overload and zoom fatigue, because I know like for me one problem was during pandemic, it was like meeting after meeting after meeting online and I just. 179 00:24:36.270 --> 00:24:41.400 Jean Boggs: got to a point where you know so going back again. 180 00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:43.290 Jean Boggs: group one. 181 00:24:44.760 --> 00:24:53.790 Jean Boggs: In your group person, one is going to choose a problem person to talk about a kind of outlandish resolution. 182 00:24:56.310 --> 00:25:16.530 Jean Boggs: we're possible but just can be outlandish just any anything that you think could solve it right like could be funny could be serious, whatever person three pack of this person three says that wouldn't work because okay person for is to try to make sense of it all, does that make sense. 183 00:25:18.810 --> 00:25:26.430 Jean Boggs: i'll visit your rooms, so what i'm going to do is break you into the breakout rooms okay and i'll make sure everybody's clear. 184 00:25:27.750 --> 00:25:29.580 Jean Boggs: The links are all into the same jam board. 185 00:25:34.590 --> 00:25:35.130 Okay. 186 00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:39.450 Jean Boggs: All right, that's. 187 00:25:40.590 --> 00:25:41.940 Jean Boggs: Why, I was clicking it. 188 00:25:43.320 --> 00:25:44.490 Jean Boggs: I see what you're saying now. 189 00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:47.910 Jean Boggs: Wait. 190 00:25:50.430 --> 00:25:56.760 Jean Boggs: This one's different this one's different so, then you have three jam boards, it looks like that are ready to go. 191 00:26:02.580 --> 00:26:02.940 Jean Boggs: Okay. 192 00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:11.520 Jean Boggs: So there's three jam boards ready to go so i'll divide us into three groups and then we'll we'll take it from there. 193 00:26:18.810 --> 00:26:19.140 Jean Boggs: Okay. 194 00:26:20.730 --> 00:26:21.240 Jean Boggs: So. 195 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:29.220 Jean Boggs: Actually, that works pretty well because there's that's that's a good number and each okay good okay let's go. 196 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:09.390 Zukowski, Adam: For me, the classroom to a Room three. 197 00:27:11.550 --> 00:27:14.370 Jean Boggs: I would say either one. 198 00:27:15.690 --> 00:27:17.160 Jean Boggs: I was looking for. 199 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:23.820 Jean Boggs: I can broadcast a message I was gonna say number one. 200 00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:27.180 Jean Boggs: album. 201 00:27:32.280 --> 00:27:34.170 Jean Boggs: To me. 202 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:39.240 Jean Boggs: me. 203 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.640 Jean Boggs: Why that will. 204 00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:47.070 Jean Boggs: For. 205 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:50.520 Jean Boggs: results. 206 00:27:52.620 --> 00:27:57.960 Jean Boggs: i'll go to three, and if you if you want to say good one you go to to Adam. 207 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:00.120 Zukowski, Adam: sure. 208 00:28:00.330 --> 00:28:02.400 Jean Boggs: Okay, and then i'll pop into three as well. 209 00:28:02.610 --> 00:28:02.940 Jean Boggs: Okay. 210 00:28:03.330 --> 00:28:04.380 cool thanks sorry. 211 00:32:05.130 --> 00:32:07.740 Jean Boggs: i'm going to send the meeting to everybody. 212 00:32:18.570 --> 00:32:20.340 Jean Boggs: And i'm just going to say two more minutes. 213 00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:23.490 Jean Boggs: And then i'm going to go to my. 214 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:17.520 Jean Boggs: Okay looks like everybody's coming back. 215 00:36:02.100 --> 00:36:12.240 Jean Boggs: Okay well back I think um Does anyone want to share from your group, maybe group, one could start this I think he will really like. 216 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.900 Jean Boggs: really moving, I think. 217 00:36:18.690 --> 00:36:19.980 Jean Boggs: Just to summarize. 218 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:27.810 Jean Boggs: know. 219 00:36:32.550 --> 00:36:36.570 Jean Boggs: A justin know you want to go. 220 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:39.030 Jean Boggs: I think you were one. 221 00:36:43.110 --> 00:36:50.190 Tristan Daniels: Sure, so we chose zoom fatigue with potential solutions scheduling the zoom blackout. 222 00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:51.780 Tristan Daniels: Drinking lots of coffee. 223 00:36:52.350 --> 00:36:57.240 Tristan Daniels: stretching the middle of a meeting having a reason for the meeting, not just to report things. 224 00:36:58.530 --> 00:37:02.670 Tristan Daniels: Meetings without screen or video just audio when appropriate for the topic. 225 00:37:03.240 --> 00:37:10.830 Tristan Daniels: yeah and then rethinking zoom as a positive focusing on the benefits, you get from zoom such as not having to worry about traveling. 226 00:37:11.520 --> 00:37:18.870 Jean Boggs: I love this I love the one about moving around I thought about doing that, today, and I was like well you got a lot of plants so. 227 00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:28.830 Jean Boggs: But I think one of the things about sitting like there have been days since pandemic, when I was planted. 228 00:37:29.250 --> 00:37:42.630 Jean Boggs: In front of the computer and just a stretch break I mean we're human beings really nice and has also like other I think for anything that you implement with the with the intentionality of. 229 00:37:46.140 --> 00:38:01.620 Jean Boggs: Like being inclusive in some way, it tends to ripple out and have other effects like if there are students who struggle to pay attention for faculty staff, then when we move, you know you're really helping to bring people people back. 230 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.690 Jean Boggs: copy, you know all of these things are great ideas and. 231 00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:19.980 Jean Boggs: You guys got a real handle on the activity of like you can kind of throw out anything no bad ideas and making it fun yeah so. 232 00:38:22.350 --> 00:38:24.960 Jean Boggs: Thank you, anyone else, want to report or. 233 00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:34.140 Jean Boggs: If Okay, if not. 234 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.600 Jean Boggs: So yes, so that is great. 235 00:38:42.690 --> 00:38:43.050 Beck Hertl: i'm. 236 00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:46.110 Jean Boggs: going to back, did you want to speak. 237 00:38:47.550 --> 00:38:48.960 Beck Hertl: i'll share if it's not too late. 238 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.710 Beck Hertl: it's not our our Group chose. 239 00:38:54.990 --> 00:39:00.420 Beck Hertl: The problem of not being able to read the room, which we talked about in the bigger group. 240 00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:12.300 Beck Hertl: And the way to solve, we chose was to require the camera on and we talked about that not working, because a lot of people do that, but it doesn't work. 241 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:26.190 Beck Hertl: We had some comments about how like the home is not a classroom different people have different situations going on distractions of their own that they can't just bring into the picture. 242 00:39:26.520 --> 00:39:28.320 Beck Hertl: yeah kids running around. 243 00:39:30.060 --> 00:39:39.780 Beck Hertl: And then, some people need to have their camera off and even potentially other people's cameras off for their own Internet bandwidth to be able to tune in. 244 00:39:40.230 --> 00:39:44.850 Jean Boggs: I love that this came up, thank you, but yes keep going, yes, yes um. 245 00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:59.190 Beck Hertl: Our resolution was just getting more dynamic with things asking icebreaker questions, maybe taking polls are having people via the chat so interacting just in a different way. 246 00:40:00.270 --> 00:40:01.770 Jean Boggs: yeah I love us. 247 00:40:02.250 --> 00:40:03.360 Beck Hertl: Coming up. 248 00:40:03.750 --> 00:40:23.820 Jean Boggs: In the next few slides I have something about netiquette CBC has is in a tricky moment with netiquette because some people feel certain things were appropriate or not, and, as it turns out certain things may not be possible from an equity mindset for everybody. 249 00:40:25.110 --> 00:40:34.950 Jean Boggs: And like you said, like, I will get to that I, I often am in the practice of turning off my camera when i'm not presenting because. 250 00:40:36.120 --> 00:40:54.600 Jean Boggs: I think it's rude sometimes like if i'm like going like you know, whatever or my cat is here, or whatever I don't want to be distracting right, but then i've heard from other people oh that that's rude to turn it off, because then I don't know if you're present so. 251 00:40:57.180 --> 00:41:02.880 Jean Boggs: These are all things that I think are unanswered questions at this point in time. 252 00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:10.800 Jean Boggs: So please back um I have a little something funny. 253 00:41:12.240 --> 00:41:12.990 Jean Boggs: it's funny. 254 00:41:15.330 --> 00:41:16.020 say. 255 00:41:19.830 --> 00:41:20.340 Okay. 256 00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:22.620 Jean Boggs: So yeah. 257 00:41:30.330 --> 00:41:31.890 Jean Boggs: I hope you can hear the sound. 258 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:38.700 Jean Boggs: There we go. 259 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:41.670 Okay. 260 00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:46.740 talk to me now and i'm giving them like zoom face in person. 261 00:42:04.950 --> 00:42:09.540 how's the introvert before to pandemics, that means my take was already on eat I have nothing left to give. 262 00:42:10.830 --> 00:42:11.340 Nothing left. 263 00:42:22.290 --> 00:42:23.160 Jean Boggs: So you got that. 264 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:26.460 Jean Boggs: could hear it. 265 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:41.550 Jean Boggs: Yes, Okay, so I I love that because I think a lot of us felt that way right like it's starting to feel artificial you wonder what is the norm like what Should I be doing right now with myself what should I so. 266 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:48.990 Jean Boggs: So I think we have a little time and we can do this as a group. 267 00:42:53.040 --> 00:43:13.440 Jean Boggs: Think of a time when you experience a personal gathering their really energized or fulfilled you and what components, do you think made it a success and same with business or scholarly professional what makes something a success so i'm not sure if we have quite enough time of. 268 00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:17.520 Jean Boggs: See certainly has their hand up. 269 00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:33.540 C Serling: I actually raised my hand when we were discussing whether or not you should have your screen on arm and a little bit different setting than other people i'm in a teaching hospital. 270 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.960 C Serling: The hospital, as well as all. 271 00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:54.900 C Serling: About 15 educational programs, and because of hipaa and privacy things a lot of our machines don't even enable cameras because someone could walk behind you down the hallway and it's the hipaa violation. 272 00:43:55.260 --> 00:44:06.570 C Serling: yeah some people, you know if they're in a private office may have their screen on, but if they're in a more public area, they will have their screen on and they. 273 00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:16.530 C Serling: There were certain times, nobody will have their screen on because of hipaa or other privacy concerns so um you know it's kind of a. 274 00:44:17.220 --> 00:44:22.560 C Serling: Nobody thinks twice about it, and my setting because, like said a lot of times it's not even allowed it's. 275 00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:41.430 C Serling: And sometimes it's disabled it depends how well I have it's totally disabled on my PC but it's enabled on my laptop, but I can only use, you know put a picture on if i'm in my office and not where someone else can be in the background. 276 00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:44.220 Jean Boggs: yeah and I think like. 277 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.460 Jean Boggs: There are so many. 278 00:44:48.720 --> 00:44:51.060 Jean Boggs: issues around all of these things like. 279 00:44:53.580 --> 00:45:00.480 Jean Boggs: settings like I know CBC said something about like students should not be sitting on a bed. 280 00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:13.320 Jean Boggs: Maybe that's the only quiet please that someone has to so we're I mean I know there's, this is just a moment in time, where, and I think a lot of the assumptions about. 281 00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:33.780 Jean Boggs: netiquette are be reconsidered and I think what you're saying is is valid and important to consider that night we don't always know the why right of of what makes something a habit or a expectation and Elizabeth said something. 282 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:43.950 C Serling: We all felt because i'm in a healthcare setting we also it doesn't matter who you are everybody has to be man. 283 00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:48.960 C Serling: So I mean, even if you have your screen on you're not seeing people face. 284 00:45:50.310 --> 00:45:50.700 Jean Boggs: Right. 285 00:45:51.810 --> 00:46:00.750 Jean Boggs: Elizabeth had an interesting comment Elizabeth Davidson she says one of her faculty cakes offer virtual classes, by asking students to submit. 286 00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:18.780 Jean Boggs: The kind of rules and they want to see as part of respectful and engaging behavior to help develop the expectations and understanding as a group, she can make suggestions, but she takes there's first so that they have both buy in and understand it's a group expectation, not just a presenter. 287 00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:32.040 Jean Boggs: And I agree with trista that's brilliant because you're getting there by and you're getting students to understand what each other what they need from each other and I actually heard something really interesting one of the. 288 00:46:33.450 --> 00:46:45.840 Jean Boggs: There was some pushback in CC vcs recent netiquette policies about like a bunch of exclamation points, and you know it's slang like, but then someone brought up the fact that. 289 00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:52.290 Jean Boggs: That will read well for people who need a reader. 290 00:46:53.430 --> 00:46:55.140 Jean Boggs: For visual disability. 291 00:46:56.550 --> 00:47:05.760 Jean Boggs: And I never thought of that, so we have to think of each other in different ways, and so I think having collective contracts is a wonderful way to get buy in. 292 00:47:07.980 --> 00:47:14.520 Jean Boggs: And in fact we can come back to these um but um so. 293 00:47:17.550 --> 00:47:22.950 Jean Boggs: I have a little bit here about pre a Parker talks about how. 294 00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:28.230 Jean Boggs: When you decide what your purposes, sometimes we have to defend it. 295 00:47:29.580 --> 00:47:31.980 Jean Boggs: So when you're designing your events. 296 00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:40.770 Jean Boggs: We have to say, sometimes hey that doesn't belong here or this isn't part of what was planned and we can. 297 00:47:41.130 --> 00:47:49.830 Jean Boggs: Make time for it at a different time but, and I was also thinking about a few years ago at T cow and I need to look her up because there was a. 298 00:47:50.580 --> 00:48:04.020 Jean Boggs: presentation about saying you're sorry all the time I don't know if anyone attended that one, but it was kind of like the apology for being yourself that some libertarians like we're we have as a culture that can be this like overly Nice. 299 00:48:05.100 --> 00:48:07.110 Jean Boggs: And I think sometimes we have to. 300 00:48:08.910 --> 00:48:09.900 Jean Boggs: have to. 301 00:48:11.190 --> 00:48:29.880 Jean Boggs: take a stand, this is a this is from into the woods I love this one i'm not good i'm not nice i'm just right so it's kind of like keeping people safe because you're you're enforcing some rules and whatever that the rules of your culture are. 302 00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:33.540 Jean Boggs: In these events and so. 303 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.550 Jean Boggs: I just one dimension, I don't know if yours. 304 00:48:38.970 --> 00:48:42.300 Zukowski, Adam: Do you intend to be sharing your slides we still see the instagram. 305 00:48:43.050 --> 00:48:43.230 But. 306 00:48:44.310 --> 00:48:47.340 Jean Boggs: Oh that's so weird why. 307 00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:50.550 Jean Boggs: Okay, here we go i'm so sorry. 308 00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:56.190 Jean Boggs: i'm sorry about that can you see now my slides. 309 00:48:59.670 --> 00:49:00.360 Zukowski, Adam: I. 310 00:49:00.570 --> 00:49:02.790 Zukowski, Adam: know not unless it's just me. 311 00:49:03.240 --> 00:49:06.450 Jennifer Ditkoff: I can't see them either okay okay sorry. 312 00:49:06.690 --> 00:49:07.140 there. 313 00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:11.850 Jean Boggs: Oh, it says screen sharing is paused stop share. 314 00:49:18.150 --> 00:49:20.250 Jean Boggs: No new share. 315 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:20.910 Zukowski, Adam: There we go. 316 00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:23.010 Jean Boggs: Okay sorry about that. 317 00:49:23.310 --> 00:49:26.130 Jean Boggs: um and i'm sorry that's probably really annoying. 318 00:49:30.180 --> 00:49:31.650 Jean Boggs: But there we go so. 319 00:49:33.120 --> 00:49:54.480 Jean Boggs: This idea of kind of balance right, is that you have to decide what the purpose of your event is and then kind of pre Parker says, be a bouncer to your own event, so you have to say hey, this is not part of what's happening today, you can listen can create something for the future, but. 320 00:49:56.160 --> 00:50:00.090 Jean Boggs: I definitely think we can we can learn from that at times and. 321 00:50:01.140 --> 00:50:15.060 Jean Boggs: So, again, I wanted to get to this slide because it comes up with a lot of what we have mentioned today, which was that different spaces may have different preferences, so you know I. 322 00:50:16.110 --> 00:50:23.970 Jean Boggs: Someone said recently about like whoa if your cameras off it's rude because, how do I know you're even listening and I thought I was being polite because. 323 00:50:24.690 --> 00:50:35.130 Jean Boggs: During pandemic, a lot of us were having trouble with our Internet, and so we were returning offer cameras, out of respect that you don't need to see my face like i'm here, you know. 324 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:49.590 Jean Boggs: So I think stating expectations is important, and one of the examples that priya Parker gives is about the fact that she's a biracial person she grew up in Virginia and she wanted to attend these. 325 00:50:51.270 --> 00:50:53.340 Jean Boggs: etiquette classes at her country club. 326 00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:12.900 Jean Boggs: and her parents letter you know, like Okay, whatever floats your boat, but what she was talking about is like there's a new emergence of rules around events like what are, what is the etiquette in the space, what are the rules and that that's actually. 327 00:51:14.670 --> 00:51:25.680 Jean Boggs: fights against certain types of like class and white supremacy and different types of supremacy is because you're giving everyone an equal. 328 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:32.070 Jean Boggs: An equal orientation to what are the expectations for a space for an event. 329 00:51:33.660 --> 00:51:34.020 Jean Boggs: and 330 00:51:35.100 --> 00:51:40.110 Jean Boggs: Well, I was thinking about libraries right like there's all these unspoken roles. 331 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:47.940 Jean Boggs: People who grew up grew up going to libraries it's a class thing you know it did your parents take you to libraries, did they have the time. 332 00:51:48.540 --> 00:51:59.760 Jean Boggs: And, was it a value in the hell, are you from a home that reads you know so there's all kinds of things that we have to consider when we think about the assumptions of our events. 333 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.730 Jean Boggs: And so, said, and then. 334 00:52:04.410 --> 00:52:07.830 Jean Boggs: I just want I did have a we're excited I think this is going up on a. 335 00:52:09.630 --> 00:52:15.480 Jean Boggs: Little page and at the bottom, this is for you, the new rules of gathering. 336 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:23.190 Jean Boggs: I recommend reading the book, because this is like the cliff notes of the book and the book is very rich with information. 337 00:52:24.060 --> 00:52:40.470 Jean Boggs: But the limit institute human centered design stuff is there, as well as some other books, a podcast with priya Parker and this rituals for virtual meetings which has so many activities for classes went to one meetings. 338 00:52:41.640 --> 00:52:52.800 Jean Boggs: kinds of things that can help you create some different kinds of communication, so I am so sorry about all the tech issues, I want to leave a little time for comments and conversation. 339 00:52:54.810 --> 00:53:06.960 Jean Boggs: I got a little nervous and then things just weren't going quite as I wanted them to go but otherwise I hope you learned something today, and thanks for your daring contributions so. 340 00:53:08.130 --> 00:53:09.030 Jean Boggs: I will speak. 341 00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:18.510 Jean Boggs: Thank you back. 342 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.700 Jean Boggs: Thank you Elizabeth thanks for. 343 00:53:25.980 --> 00:53:28.950 Zukowski, Adam: anybody wants to speak feel free to unmute yourself. 344 00:53:31.350 --> 00:53:35.550 Jean Boggs: And thanks to Adam and and the T cal team for organizing. 345 00:53:38.580 --> 00:53:42.030 Zukowski, Adam: Oh, I want to express my thanks to your presentation. 346 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:45.300 Zukowski, Adam: For for your presentation sorry. 347 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:48.540 Jean Boggs: Your future. 348 00:53:51.570 --> 00:54:02.160 Zukowski, Adam: This this concept of netiquette and the how that's changing as a result of sorry I should be sharing my camera as i'm speaking. 349 00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:09.750 Zukowski, Adam: How that how those are changing, as a result of the pandemic and the the zoom world that we're kind of in now. 350 00:54:11.550 --> 00:54:16.500 Zukowski, Adam: it's it's an interesting place to be, and to think about. 351 00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:26.190 Zukowski, Adam: And one of our article talks I believe mentioned priya Parker and this book so i'm going to definitely have to check that book out. 352 00:54:26.730 --> 00:54:28.320 Jean Boggs: it's really fantastic and. 353 00:54:28.590 --> 00:54:30.210 Jean Boggs: I mean, she does everything from. 354 00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:40.740 Jean Boggs: You know gatherings with friends and how to create one meaningful relationships in your in your personal gatherings up to lake she's planning the city in Brazil. 355 00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:45.090 Jean Boggs: it's pretty wide and wild range. 356 00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:48.180 Jean Boggs: that she considers, and I think. 357 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:56.760 Jean Boggs: I must move by the idea that she actually says like about a dinner party like. 358 00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:14.820 Jean Boggs: don't don't waste people's time if you don't have a real reason to do it and I thought gosh that's harsh, but you know it makes sense and the other thing was like about being the bouncer to your own event, she was like that has to align with the purpose of the event so. 359 00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:21.240 Jean Boggs: There have been times that haven't been invited to something or to be on some committee right i'm like, why not be. 360 00:55:21.750 --> 00:55:34.290 Jean Boggs: But later, you know after reading this I was like well there may be really a reason right, and so it paints like in my mind, it also creates goodwill that we're really trusting each other to. 361 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.210 Jean Boggs: Create gatherings and teams. 362 00:55:41.010 --> 00:55:49.560 Jean Boggs: Based on a reason a purpose that drives us forward so yeah I really felt that was cool. 363 00:55:53.310 --> 00:55:56.880 Jean Boggs: Well, thanks everybody someone else to say something in the chat oh. 364 00:55:57.900 --> 00:56:02.790 Jean Boggs: We have a link from i'm sorry I don't know your first name see, certainly, but. 365 00:56:03.930 --> 00:56:06.480 Jean Boggs: This sounds great respectful guidelines. 366 00:56:09.450 --> 00:56:14.640 Jean Boggs: i'm clicking on it right now, so thank you that's in the chat. 367 00:56:15.780 --> 00:56:16.410 Jean Boggs: From. 368 00:56:19.080 --> 00:56:20.220 Jean Boggs: Can you all see that. 369 00:56:21.120 --> 00:56:22.500 Zukowski, Adam: Yes, okay. 370 00:56:22.950 --> 00:56:33.510 C Serling: Medical library association us and says, and most of their meetings and so does national network of libraries of Madison it's kind of their guidelines say us. 371 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.380 Jean Boggs: I love the the idea of correcting gently, but to correct right. 372 00:56:41.610 --> 00:56:47.640 Jean Boggs: And one MIC one voice there's a lot there's a lot of good things, and I think. 373 00:56:49.050 --> 00:56:56.640 Jean Boggs: Just as Adam was saying this is like a very strange time in which we're having to create all different kinds of. 374 00:56:58.320 --> 00:56:59.520 Jean Boggs: considerations. 375 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:01.200 Jean Boggs: and 376 00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:14.850 Jean Boggs: I never thought i'd be thinking about should I have my camera on or off is that polite or not, is that you know and again it's just all different spaces require different considerations so. 377 00:57:15.930 --> 00:57:16.140 yeah. 378 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.110 Zukowski, Adam: We are at three o'clock. 379 00:57:20.040 --> 00:57:21.240 Zukowski, Adam: I want to thank you gene. 380 00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:28.710 Zukowski, Adam: for presenting Thank you everyone else for attending not just this session, but all the T cal today. 381 00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:43.650 Zukowski, Adam: As a reminder, we have an evaluation form, where you can evaluate the conference, as well as each individual presentation that you attended, so please do check that out and take a few minutes to fill that out. 382 00:57:46.080 --> 00:57:53.940 Zukowski, Adam: And that is the end of tea kettle I look forward to seeing you all again next year. 383 00:57:55.260 --> 00:57:56.520 Jean Boggs: Thank you, Adam take care. 384 00:57:56.970 --> 00:57:57.360 Zukowski, Adam: You too. 385 00:57:58.050 --> 00:57:59.940 Jean Boggs: Thanks everybody say already.